Thursday, March 11, 2010

Me? I'm a spy, duh!

Also here's a recruitment video for chaplains to schools. Things to note: Creationism, prayer and "God's my friend" and imagine the Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist kid in the class and how they must feel. No child should be put in that position of confusion and insecurity.


jomamma said...

I can't even comment... I'm so shocked by what you just said about the lady on the phone. You should have asked her when they were planning on putting rings in the parent's noses like hers so they can begin dragging people around. Sheesh!
We have a Church group who have volunteered to mentor kids at our school. I'm leery about this, my kids don't go to the school where I work, but I'm still leery of just what that mentor may be talking about with the child they are assigned to. On the other hand, the parent of each child had to sign off that they would allow their kid to have a mentor. (And most of these parents don't give a hoot who talks to their kid as long as they don't have to.) But my question is, has that mentor been told they must follow the "separation of church and state" rule? Or has that rule been thrown out the window all together just for the sake of getting a mentor into the school. I know the principal of the school is expecting them to follow that rule, but there are so many of them and I'm not sure who is policing them. I don't have a problem with people who are religious, in any form. I just think people shouldn't force their religion on anyone. Just like the hubby tells the Bible Thumpers that come to door trying to sell us their church "Did we ask you?" I've never been approached or had anyone come to my door from the Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu or any other faith come to think of it. Why do the Christian have to be so dang pushy?

Hey have you seen the documentary Jesus in China?

jomamma said...

Oh, I guess I was able to comment after all....

Lyvvie said...

Let me fan the flames a bit. The Chaplains in the schools are often invited to interview kids who show anger or upset school. Their opinions are welcomed on the mental state of kids who are acting out. Chaplains are not child care professionals, they aren't psychologists. Some may be, but the majority, I believe, are just church going folks who have gone through the religious education program at Access Ministries.

The news this morning mentiones a 13 year old girl who may be expelled after another charge of bullying where a few weeks a go the same girl threatened to cut another with a knife. The school and the chaplain have interviewed the girl, and somehow, this Chaplain's opinion carries weight.

I don't know if families have broken up because of the opinion of a Chaplain, but I'm concerned about the power they have within the school system.

jomamma said...

I can't believe this is a public school and not a Private Church School.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, this is fucked up. I'm curious if the school makes any money from the CRE? Does the individual principal make the decision as to whether or not this is allowed in the school or is it up to the school board? Are all Aussie schools like this? Are these CRE people screened by local police? The guy in the video who said he had a bag of tricks and would play on the playground gave me the heebie jeebies. He looks like a pervy old dude.

Lyvvie said...

I haven't had a satisfying answer regarding if the school gets a financial benefit from CRE but I think it's a No, they do not. Yes the Board of Education dictates all schools have to provide CRE if there is a chaplain available to teach it. My school has three chaplains. My school is also heavily Anglican.

All chaplains are screened by the police. Since January this year, anyone working in the classrooms has to be screened, including parent volunteers.

I'm trying to find out if this travels to all states. Each state has its own BOE and they make the rules for their state. Somehow this all kicked off in 2006. I'm going to find out tomorrow at a talk about separation of church and state at Melbourne university. I know that Queensland does, New South Wales and Victoria. I'm almost certain South Australia and Tasmania do as well. It's very hard to figure out where to get the correct information and it seems everyone I talk to has more questions and suspicious about my motives, than answers.

I'm glad you pointed out the creepy talk. I thought parts of that video could be construed as grooming tips for pedophiles. But didn't want to prejudice the information unfairly.

I'm in no way hinting that anyone on that video has pedo intent, lawyer types.

jomamma said...

I agree, that was creepy... BTW I just gave you an honorable mention on my blog check it out and collect your Kreativ Blogger award. Why do I feel like I'm begging for comments... don't comment on my blog it'll make me feel weird.

Victoria said...

Lyvvie, I'm catching up. Wondering if this is a product of moving to Austalia, or just on-going..?

I don't have kids, but know if I did and they went to a public school that religion would not come up - unless I, the parent, brought it up.

Is it not the case in Austalia (or was it a problem in Scotland, too)?

Victoria said...


It's me. It's my keyboard. It's both :)

Lyvvie said...

Hello Victoria! Yup, this is an Aussie thing. Scotland also has religious education but it's secular. It's a study of the 7 major religions, their origins, customs and culture. It's not indoctrination, or preachy, or churchy.

In the beginning I'd been "No Way! no God in school!" but after one talk to the teacher I was assured it was fine with the course. Sassy loved the class and found it interesting. I think the thought of it as a faith buffet - so many flavours of God to try. She told me at the end of grade 4 that she was a Buddhist. She proclaimed that a for a while.

The UK course doesn't have a Humanist/Atheist or similar module. there is no class that says "Some people in the world simply live their lives without a god and they are still good, moral people." which is a shame, and if I'd stayed I'd have pushed for it. Because I do think Sassy thought at some point, she was going to have choose one of these religions, and she was anxious about which one. That was her own personal issue and not ever was it promoted by the course work. It took my assurance that she could live happily without any god, if she wanted to, to calm her down. She's a nervous whirlwind when she gets started.

Victoria said...

This is very interesting.

I went to a parochial school, so you can imagine (lots of things).

But they made a point to instruct us on the histories/cultures and basic doctrines of the major religions - a bit like your daughter's class, except ongoing/spead over the course of eight years.

Despite the fact that I agree with you wholly, I'm glad I had that experience. I would have been otherwise igmorant of a large part of history (that is otherwise ignored in most American history classes) - something (like religion) that informs a culture in ways that can't be ignored - if you wnat a true, worldly education(at least, IMO).

If such could be integrated into the learning of "culture/s" without the idea of adopting anything it would be valuable, but this (to my knowledge) is only present in parochial schools in the States.

I don't know why I'm going on and on. Inspired by your thinking, I guess.. :)

Total Geek said...

Very interesting issue you have there. I think that, without the constant efforts of non-theists here in the states, we would easily end up with similar, if not worse, results. We have to constantly struggle with keeping Creationism and ID out of Science classes. Keep up the fight; you are definitely within your rights as a human being.