Tuesday, March 02, 2010

CRE, the revenge.

I posted a rant up at YouTube, and am putting it here too. I think I'm most wound up that there doesn't seem to be anyone else around me who also finds these Christian Religious Education classes disgusting. Most people shrug, they're not bothered. They don't think it's harmful. I don't think I'm overreacting.



Access Ministries and their plans for our kids:



There is the girl who says she's not a christian but she likes that it's about values and it's not all god and Jesus. Unfortunately, from the syllabus, that's just not true. Not in the two grades I've seen. Also, I don't know how AM can use the bushfires as an impetus to inject more religion into schools across the whole state.

16 comments:

Roxrocks said...

As a parent who had the choice to send my unbaptised children to a Catholic School or a public school, I have to ask why you chose to send your kids to a school that offers religion classes if it grates on your like this? Are there no regular public schools that you can send them to?

To ask my kids, they'd both tell you they are atheists, especially the youngest. By exposing them to religion in school (because they sure as feck arn't going to get any training at home!) it's given them an opportunity to learn about it without being a victim of it. I think direct exposure to the Christian teachings will give your kids a clearer understanding of what is WRONG with organized religion, while still giving them an opportunity to take the good out of it. The Muslim kids and the Buddist kids are already learning in their OWN faiths about tolerance of others' beliefs and clearly they are there because their parents also chose this school for them.

I get the whole separation of church and school thing though, and I get why your feathers are riled, the teachings go against your beliefs. Perhaps instead of railing against it, you could go sit in on the kids' religion classes and then you will know exactly what's going on in them and you can discuss it and break it down for them together. Open up a dialogue with them about it (it sounds like you already have though...) and keep disecting it with them.

Jesus was kind of cool. He hung out with whores and drunkards. My kind of guy. LOL!

Lyvvie said...

Roxy, these classes are held in the regular public school. My girls are in a state public school, not a religious school. There is no separation of church of state here. The Australian constitution does not have a Bill of Rights. they do have a very weak version of the right freedom of religion in section 116 that says "a limited right to freedom of religion, by prohibiting the Commonwealth (but not the states) from making any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion."

The government throws millions of taxpayer money toward the chaplaincy program and I don't see any measurable way to see its benefits to the kids, schools or the community. The kids aren't graded on the material and it doesn't count towards anything. It's a complete waste of time and money.

The other thing that bothers me is all this new-age Christianity that's peace, love and harmony but upon reading the bible - there's very little of that or it comes at such a high cost it's not worth it. Only pulling out the good bits, cherry-picking is a lie of omission. No religion is golden.

I'm meeting with the principal in the morning to find out just what the school gets by having the chaplaincy program. I don't even know if the school gets a financial benefit. If they don't then what is the purpose.

Jesus was going to kill Jezebel's children with death (As its lowercase I guess it's not Death himself, but just death of life death) so watch out for him, he's no perfect babysitter if you're a whore. ;)

jomamma said...

I guess that can count as one of the good things about the good ole USA... no religion in school other than a minute of 'silent meditation' and who knows what's running through people's minds when that's going on. "Damn, I forgot to get milk and cat litter at the store last night..."

I can't believe they won't let you opt out. Although you may cause a landslide effect. Are there other parents who feel the way you do about this?

Loved that last bit about the orangeness, I just thought you looked tanned.

Lyvvie said...

We can opt our kids out of the class. Husband thought it was important for her to have religious education because some bible stories have a good moral message and it's a part of their European history. He wanted the kids in. He did say he wouldn't want them in if the classes were preaching to kids.

Now that I find that the classes are openly shown as a way to preach to kids, I'm more determined to get my voice heard against it.

I think I have enough proof for Husband that he'd agree to opting the girls out of the class.

I also found out the class is a required to be offered in all public schools by the board of education. I'll be looking into contacting them today.

Dingo said...

Oh Lyvvie, how I love you.

Liz said...

Guess you still haven't procured and checked out a non-KJV Bible ??
And again I say NIV.....I have many, (two of my favorite are the "Life Applications Study Bible' and the "Praise and Worship Study Bible", both NIV) but my daily, extremely marked up and falling apart one is just plain NIV.
Mata ne
Liz

Lyvvie said...

I have a KJV and a Good News Bible. The fact so many interpretations exist for the same book makes me get my suspicious face. I get a full blown twitch when I hear KJV types say NIV types are doing the devil's work because they've downplayed Satan. Christians can't agree on who's right so why should I throw my trust behind any one over another? (Just youtube search "Problem with NIV" to hear the opinions)

Organized chaos, in fighting and the answers aren't going to be found until you're dead. I'd rather live first and worry about death after I've died.

I won't be a part of any group that can't follow its own rules, either. When religious factions can justify murder in the name of a God that has commanded "Thou shall not kill," then I'd consider that religion leading its people into sin and damnation. If you can have sinful thoughts and be condemned a sinner for just thinking - would God consider associating with a sinner a sin by association? Don't think it's worth the risk. Even Jesus enticed his Jewish followers to disobey their parents and follow him. That had to be confusing! "Do I dishonor my mother and father and renounce my faith or follow this guy who says it'll be ok because God is his dad!?"

I gave up the madness because it makes no sense. Regardless of in which book it's written.

jomamma said...

I agree Lyvvie, do they realize they are just making is more and more confusing with the different versions. Yeah they may be easier to read, but is it lost in translation? And when you are not sure who to follow or what to believe and happen to muster up the nerve to ask questions you get accused of being a non-believer and smacked in the forehead with a Yea-ya. Maybe you didn't feel like you needed saving. For me, I'll just take care of my business, treat people the way I want to be treated. I'll try not to make myself feel better by criticizing or putting down someone else and try not to get my feelings hurt by people who try to better themselves by hurting me. I'll just be over on the deck drinking beer and waiting on Jesus or whoever...

Lyvvie said...

Here's hoping it's not Cthulu! I don't really fancy being eaten by a squid faced monster. It's another way of encouraging Global Warming awareness as, Cthulu is trapped in the antarctic ice, and if it melts...well, we're all squid food.

Does this make H.P. Lovecraft a prophet? Some think so...

jomamma said...

Like I said... I'll just drink some beer and live day to day, don't worry about it.

jomamma said...

We kind of got off track didn't we...

Lyvvie said...

I dunno - beer and Lovecraft sounds like fun!

jomamma said...

I'm not much on the horror of it all... Could be a Cracken!

Liz said...

Bwahahahaaha JMM
"The Kraken" ;)))

NIV is supposedly the only one that goes back to the original Greek and Hebrew writings, and isn't influenced by all the others in between all the others.

I personally can't stand GNB, too much happy goody fairy fluff. Sounds like a bunch of hippies smoking some really good stuff :)))
Not that there's anything wrong with that :)))
Mata ne
Liz

jomamma said...

Thanks for the spell check Liz... I'm kind of concerned about the Kraken. I've got kids at sea you know.

Maja said...

Grr I couldn't finish watching the Access Ministries video. Propaganda!